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midway


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26/03/2008 11:39 AM Alert 
This may interest you if you haven't seen it already:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=545334&in_page_id=1770

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=543350&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

I have previously argued that Britain's planning laws appear to be deliberately used to keep land supply short and prices artificially high.

The above Daily Mail articles both show a photo from the air. This photo is a prime example that supports this theory. The photo shows plenty of land. This area does not appear overcrowded.

The gypsy field (on land that they have bought and paid for) will apparently house 32 families. Probably around 100 people. The council will now undoubtedly use all their powers to get rid of the 32 families, no doubt without providing an alternative for them.

"Where should we live?"
"Well, not here."

One piece of land in the photo does have the correct legal planning permissions. If the gypsy field takes up valuable agricultural land, so does this "legal" home. It can hardly be built on a different geological base.

The particular house that has all the necessary planning permissions in place is said to be "worth" £1 million. It is inhabited by one (1) person. One person. Who just happens to be the ex-husband of a government minister.

I rest my case.
Magneto


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30/03/2008 12:32 PM Alert 
I do not that when people other than NIMBYs use the law to their advantage then they are somehow wrong to do so.

I am quite disgusted that a seedy politician gets to live in such a plush pad when the rest of us have to put up with rented slums. How can they think they represent the people?

I wish the best to those who have moved onto the plot up the road.
plainservice


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02/04/2008 4:28 AM Alert 
Posted By midway on 26/03/2008 11:39 AM

I have previously argued that Britain's planning laws appear to be deliberately used to keep land supply short and prices artificially high.
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The planning laws protect the countryside and if there was free for all the country side would be "concrete jungle".  London is just one big grey concrete block. I get excited about any green space in London.

But in my mind the planning rules, are not good as they don't encourage developers to build "quality" homes or eco-friendly homes. But also, we should at 'how people live' - some people will communite 1.5 hrs just to work or drive 35 miles each way. Is that good quality of life?. So it makes sense to think about homes near places of work.

Other problems with the planning laws. In the 1980s a few of the big house developer were building new 1 bed flats so tiny that the master bedroom was litteraly the size of the double bed!!!. I haev never seen anything so small. The flat owner had only 30 cm space to walk around the bed. I asked the owner "So where is the space for the wardrobe?".   And the corridors of this flat were so small that it was the width of my shoulder. So where the planning rules?. It does not add quality to the housing stock.  Most of the houses build in the Boom times are rubbish, as they there is a queue of people to buy new builds..... So where are the planning rules to ensure quality housing?. These new builds are going to be around for the next 100+ years and causing a pain to anyone who lives there.

For instance it is fashion to have open plan kitchen lounge (plus it saves the developer the space for one room). Looks great, but short sighted - in the future people will say, if the washing machine is running, then I can't watch TV or listen to music. (And most eco-machines now run for 2 hours rather then 45mins).


Most developers want to squeeze as many flats as they can from the piece of land, with no consideration if they provide quality living accomodation.

This is why I am against a free for all on the planning. Also, have you noticed many of the new builds are ugly buildings?. Yeah they look great now, but they will be as repulsive as a council block of flats in a few years.

What abou elegant architecture?
slicedcake


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03/04/2008 1:49 PM Alert 
Posted By plainservice on 02/04/2008 4:28 AM
Posted By midway on 26/03/2008 11:39 AM

I have previously argued that Britain's planning laws appear to be deliberately used to keep land supply short and prices artificially high.
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[/quote] The planning laws protect the countryside and if there was free for all the country side would be "concrete jungle".  London is just one big grey concrete block. I get excited about any green space in London.

But in my mind the planning rules, are not good as they don't encourage developers to build "quality" homes or eco-friendly homes. But also, we should at 'how people live' - some people will communite 1.5 hrs just to work or drive 35 miles each way. Is that good quality of life?. So it makes sense to think about homes near places of work.


But with an increasing population, where are the extra people going to live?
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